NotePad Reload option

[djrikki]

I'd find extremely useful if Notepad had a reload function.

[chris]

I'd find it incredibly useful if NotePad had a "Select All" option.

[salass00]

I'd find it incredibly useful if NotePad had a "Select All" option.

There is already a "Mark All" item in the "Edit" menu which does just that (RAMIGA + M if you prefer keyboard shortcuts).

[chris]

I'd find it incredibly useful if NotePad had a "Select All" option.

There is already a "Mark All" item in the "Edit" menu which does just that (RAMIGA + M if you prefer keyboard shortcuts).

Erm.. so it is. I admit I didn't believe you (and almost replied as such without even checking).

That is completely non-standard. I missed it (with many years of looking) because:
1. Usually this option is called "Select All"
2. The standard shortcut is RAmiga-A
3. Since when was this a sensible menu order? (I was looking for Select All next to Clear All, just under Paste is the last place I'd think of looking for it)

Code: Select all

Cut
Copy
Paste
Mark All
--
Erase
--
(something else here)
--
Clear All

If I've got this wrong then please correct me, but I think this is incorrect as per the Amiga Style Guide, or at least the de-facto style guide, and should be changed.

[trixie]

@chris

1. Usually this option is called "Select All"

Yes, that's true.

2. The standard shortcut is RAmiga-A

Yes and no. The "A" shortcut is common in many OSes (Ctrl-A in Windows) but AFAIR, RAmiga-A is reserved for "Save As" according to the Amiga Style Guide (but I'm not saying that I like it.)

[chris]

Yes and no. The "A" shortcut is common in many OSes (Ctrl-A in Windows) but AFAIR, RAmiga-A is reserved for "Save As" according to the Amiga Style Guide (but I'm not saying that I like it.)

So it is, although NotePad doesn't actually have a shortcut defined for Save as! (I'm spotting things I've done wrong, now I actually have a copy of the Style Guide to read - it was added to the wiki a while back but I'd not got round to looking at it properly)

It definitely needs moving though - similar items should be grouped together. "Mark all" is similar to "Clear all", it isn't similar to "Cut, Copy, Paste".
If it was next to Clear all I might have noticed it ten years ago!

Undo and redo have the wrong shortcuts too. Undo should be on Z, there isn't a standard for Redo but Z is obviously off-limits.

Hmm... Workbench has "Select contents" and "Clear selection" with shortcuts A and Z respectively. Now I'm really confused.

[Amigo1]

Hmm... Workbench has "Select contents" and "Clear selection" with shortcuts A and Z respectively. Now I'm really confused.

it is confusing.. I hope someone is working on it..
Recently I read in some other thread the keyboard shortcuts are the same for all locale settings. A really helpful chnage. Thanks a lot the the devs for this change!

[trixie]

@chris

Yes and no. The "A" shortcut is common in many OSes (Ctrl-A in Windows) but AFAIR, RAmiga-A is reserved for "Save As" according to the Amiga Style Guide (but I'm not saying that I like it.)

So it is, although NotePad doesn't actually have a shortcut defined for Save as! (I'm spotting things I've done wrong

If you ask me, RAmiga-A should be officially reserved for "Select All"-type operations and not for "Save As". It is IMHO more important to stay at least vaguely in line with common cross-platform conventions.

It is such a pity that the Intuition menu system doesn't support SHIFT-based command keys! We could then implement handy "paired" shortcuts for operations that have something in common, instead of wasting valuable key mnemonics we could use for other operations:

RAmiga-S for "Save"
Shift-RAmiga-S for "Save As"

RAmiga-Z for "Undo"
Shift-RAmiga-Z for "Redo"

RAmiga-F for "Find"
Shift-RAmiga-F for "Find and replace"

etc.

It definitely needs moving though - similar items should be grouped together. "Mark all" is similar to "Clear all"

It's not. "Clear All" doesn't clear the selection but removes all text from the document. It is not similar to "Mark All" at all

Undo should be on Z

Yes. Another cross-platform standard.

[trixie]

@amigo1

Recently I read in some other thread the keyboard shortcuts are the same for all locale settings. A really helpful chnage. Thanks a lot the the devs for this change!

Was there a change? I always thought that menu command keys (keyboard shortcuts) were not supposed to be localized.

[chris]

If you ask me, RAmiga-A should be officially reserved for "Select All"-type operations and not for "Save As". It is IMHO more important to stay at least vaguely in line with common cross-platform conventions.

I agree

It is such a pity that the Intuition menu system doesn't support SHIFT-based command keys! We could then implement handy "paired" shortcuts for operations that have something in common, instead of wasting valuable key mnemonics we could use for other operations:

RAmiga-S for "Save"
Shift-RAmiga-S for "Save As"

RAmiga-Z for "Undo"
Shift-RAmiga-Z for "Redo"

RAmiga-F for "Find"
Shift-RAmiga-F for "Find and replace"

Also agreed. Note this does work for symbols, just not for alphabetic characters (although RAmiga-* is not necessarily going to be the same as Shift-RAmiga-8 on all keymaps, so not sure how useful that is - I'm also not sure if things like RAmiga-æ work, but I suspect they do)

It definitely needs moving though - similar items should be grouped together. "Mark all" is similar to "Clear all"

It's not. "Clear All" doesn't clear the selection but removes all text from the document. It is not similar to "Mark All" at all

You're confusing "Clear all" with "Erase".