X1000 graphics corruption

[xenic]

I've been spotting some graphics corruption since getting my X1000. I've been ignoring the problem until today and decided to document the problems I can remember:

1. On the "Early Startup Control" screen at the bottom of the "Select Boot Drive Lister", the up and down arrows are always missing or replaced with a rectangular block of blue. I've never seen this on my other OS4 hardware.

2. The PPaint screen has colored spots left in the paint area when I move the pointer around without pressing any buttons. This doesn't occur on my SAM or uA1.

3. In the Dopus4 configuration window on the System/Clocks page, the "Clock/Memory bar ..." checkmark blocks have small blue horizontal bars which shouldn't be there. As with the other problems, they don't occur on my SAM or uA1.

When I remember or 'refind' other corruption I'll add it to my list. Can anyone else confirm the above problems? Can I pull the Radeon 92xx card from my SAM and use it in my X1000 instead of the one that came with the X1000?

[cha05e90]

Another already known one is the wrong drawing of Dopus 4 lister arrow bottons. AFAIK these errors are still Radeon HD driver related. And I can confirm all the other ones (except no. 3*) you mentioned. Especially the PPaint corruption is really annoying.

*: Did you set up Dopus 4 on a composition screen? Mine is a screen without.

[zzd10h]

I had a lot a graphic corruption with my x1000 and a HD5450.
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz ... =33&t=1374

I had glitches on AmiPDF, TuneNet and DOpus,
http://zzd10h.amiga-ng.org/X1000/Glitches_TuneNet.jpg

Since, I changed it for a HD6670, all is perfect.

What is your graphic card ?

[xenic]

Another already known one is the wrong drawing of Dopus 4 lister arrow bottons. AFAIK these errors are still Radeon HD driver related. And I can confirm all the other ones (except no. 3*) you mentioned. Especially the PPaint corruption is really annoying.

*: Did you set up Dopus 4 on a composition screen? Mine is a screen without.

I have compositing set to on but only have window transparency when windows are moved. I have it off for inactive windows because I find it confusing with windows showing through each other. I'm also using 16 bit screens. Some of my more used 68k programs won't work with 32 bit and I don't like monitor resync every time I switch screens. The only exception is PPaint; which only works on an 8 bit screen.

Now that you mention it, my Dopus4 arrows get corrupted too. Every time I iconify and deiconify Dopus4, different parts of the arrows disappear or reappear. Strange. I hope they're planning on fixing it soon.

[xenic]

I had a lot a graphic corruption with my x1000 and a HD5450.
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz ... =33&t=1374

I had glitches on AmiPDF, TuneNet and DOpus,
http://zzd10h.amiga-ng.org/X1000/Glitches_TuneNet.jpg

Since, I changed it for a HD6670, all is perfect.

What is your graphic card ?

I have the supplied HD5450. I've already replaced the scratchy sound card; now you're telling me I need to replace the graphics card! What's the point in buying a complete system if you need to replace all the supplied cards to get the system working right? Where did you get the HD6670? Does it have passive cooling or does it add yet another fan to the system?

[zzd10h]

Unfortunately for you, yes, you have to change your graphic card.
As you see in my thread, we were not alone with this problem.

I bought it in a french reseller, it's a common card. It has a fan but it's quiet.

Yes, it's strange, I have too change the CMI sound card for a Sound Blaster.

Your network card is working nice, no ?
Therefore, you will not have to change all the supplied cards

[Severin]

Another already known one is the wrong drawing of Dopus 4 lister arrow bottons. AFAIK these errors are still Radeon HD driver related. And I can confirm all the other ones (except no. 3*) you mentioned. Especially the PPaint corruption is really annoying.

*: Did you set up Dopus 4 on a composition screen? Mine is a screen without.

I have compositing set to on but only have window transparency when windows are moved. I have it off for inactive windows because I find it confusing with windows showing through each other. I'm also using 16 bit screens. Some of my more used 68k programs won't work with 32 bit and I don't like monitor resync every time I switch screens. The only exception is PPaint; which only works on an 8 bit screen.

Now that you mention it, my Dopus4 arrows get corrupted too. Every time I iconify and deiconify Dopus4, different parts of the arrows disappear or reappear. Strange. I hope they're planning on fixing it soon.

Go into GUI prefs, turn compositing off and use the menus to save the prefs in sys:prefs/presets and cancel GUI prefs. Then use screens prefs (gui tab, set to custom) to make dopus4 use that gui prefs file.

[trevordick]

I have the supplied HD5450. I've already replaced the scratchy sound card; now you're telling me I need to replace the graphics card!

Why would you change the gfx card? The RadeoHD drivers are still under development and as an A1-X000 owner you will continue to receive free updates until version 1.0 of the driver is released.

I've tested 14 RadeonHD cards from the 4xxx, 5xxx, 6xxx and 7xxx series. All appear to work OK although, for some reason the HD5450 has some minor gfx glitches. Hans is looking at this issue at the moment. For the moment I suggest you follow Severin's suggestion.

Trevor

[Hans]

@Xenic

I have the supplied HD5450. I've already replaced the scratchy sound card; now you're telling me I need to replace the graphics card! What's the point in buying a complete system if you need to replace all the supplied cards to get the system working right? Where did you get the HD6670? Does it have passive cooling or does it add yet another fan to the system?

If you are able to live with the graphics corruption for now, then you might want to wait before shelling out for a better card. I have been sent one of the "bad" cards, and I hope to figure out how to force it to behave. I can't give time estimates though, sorry.

Right now it's very puzzling as to why this is happening. I personally have the exact same model HD 5450 as the one that AmigaKit ships, and mine works perfectly. In fact, I used it during development of HD 5xxx+ support. Other people with the same card also have it working properly. There seem to be rather annoying manufacturing variations that are only a problem for us.** This isn't the only model in the HD 5xxx/6xxx range to have manufacturing variation related problems, which makes choosing/recommending cards more difficult. All in all, dealing with this is rather frustrating.

Upgrading to a better graphics card is an option if you want a quick fix. To be honest, I'm surprised how many people have decided to get the HD 5450. Yes, it's faster than the 9250s that people are used to, but it's the slowest Radeon HD card on the market. It seems like a waste to pair a powerful A1-X1000 with such a slow card. Having said that, which graphics card is best for you depends on what you're planning to do with it.

Can I pull the Radeon 92xx card from my SAM and use it in my X1000 instead of the one that came with the X1000?

Yes, you can use a PCI Radeon 9250 in your A1-X1000. In fact, you can use it at the same time as your HD 5450. Download the dual graphics card setup guide from A-Eon's website if you're interested.

Anyway, it's your call what you do.

Hans


** AmigaOS is one of the few systems where the CPU still regularly accesses VRAM directly. The corruption occurs round when rendering switches between GPU and CPU rendering. This is why we're having trouble with problematic cards, but they appear to work fine under Windows.

[mbrantley]

2. The PPaint screen has colored spots left in the paint area when I move the pointer around without pressing any buttons. This doesn't occur on my SAM or uA1.

I can offer a suggestion to help with at least this problem with this program. I have had 3 or 4 different RadeonHD cards in my X1000 over the past few months and currently am running with dual cards and displays -- a 6850 and a 4350. With all of them, PPaint behaved as you describe in any "native" resolution, even though it works fine on my Sam440 computers in several screenmodes.

However, I have overcome the problem on my X1000 by running PPaint in a "fakenative" mode. I use this one: P9609:FAKENATIVE:640x480. With this mode, I have no trailing dots following the mouse pointer.