NotePad Reload option
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:22 pm
I'd find extremely useful if Notepad had a reload function.
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Re: NotePad Reload option
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:55 am
I'd find it incredibly useful if NotePad had a "Select All" option.
Re: NotePad Reload option
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:22 am
There is already a "Mark All" item in the "Edit" menu which does just that (RAMIGA + M if you prefer keyboard shortcuts).chris wrote:I'd find it incredibly useful if NotePad had a "Select All" option.
Re: NotePad Reload option
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:53 pm
Erm.. so it is. I admit I didn't believe you (and almost replied as such without even checking).salass00 wrote:There is already a "Mark All" item in the "Edit" menu which does just that (RAMIGA + M if you prefer keyboard shortcuts).chris wrote:I'd find it incredibly useful if NotePad had a "Select All" option.
That is completely non-standard. I missed it (with many years of looking) because:
1. Usually this option is called "Select All"
2. The standard shortcut is RAmiga-A
3. Since when was this a sensible menu order? (I was looking for Select All next to Clear All, just under Paste is the last place I'd think of looking for it)
Code: Select all
Cut
Copy
Paste
Mark All
--
Erase
--
(something else here)
--
Clear All
Re: NotePad Reload option
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:02 pm
@chris
Yes, that's true.chris wrote:1. Usually this option is called "Select All"
Yes and no. The "A" shortcut is common in many OSes (Ctrl-A in Windows) but AFAIR, RAmiga-A is reserved for "Save As" according to the Amiga Style Guide (but I'm not saying that I like it.)2. The standard shortcut is RAmiga-A
Re: NotePad Reload option
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:26 am
So it is, although NotePad doesn't actually have a shortcut defined for Save as! (I'm spotting things I've done wrong, now I actually have a copy of the Style Guide to read - it was added to the wiki a while back but I'd not got round to looking at it properly)trixie wrote:Yes and no. The "A" shortcut is common in many OSes (Ctrl-A in Windows) but AFAIR, RAmiga-A is reserved for "Save As" according to the Amiga Style Guide (but I'm not saying that I like it.)
It definitely needs moving though - similar items should be grouped together. "Mark all" is similar to "Clear all", it isn't similar to "Cut, Copy, Paste".
If it was next to Clear all I might have noticed it ten years ago!
Undo and redo have the wrong shortcuts too. Undo should be on Z, there isn't a standard for Redo but Z is obviously off-limits.
Hmm... Workbench has "Select contents" and "Clear selection" with shortcuts A and Z respectively. Now I'm really confused.
Re: NotePad Reload option
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:04 am
it is confusing.. I hope someone is working on it..chris wrote:
Hmm... Workbench has "Select contents" and "Clear selection" with shortcuts A and Z respectively. Now I'm really confused.
Recently I read in some other thread the keyboard shortcuts are the same for all locale settings. A really helpful chnage. Thanks a lot the the devs for this change!
Re: NotePad Reload option
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:29 am
@chris
It is such a pity that the Intuition menu system doesn't support SHIFT-based command keys! We could then implement handy "paired" shortcuts for operations that have something in common, instead of wasting valuable key mnemonics we could use for other operations:
RAmiga-S for "Save"
Shift-RAmiga-S for "Save As"
RAmiga-Z for "Undo"
Shift-RAmiga-Z for "Redo"
RAmiga-F for "Find"
Shift-RAmiga-F for "Find and replace"
etc.
If you ask me, RAmiga-A should be officially reserved for "Select All"-type operations and not for "Save As". It is IMHO more important to stay at least vaguely in line with common cross-platform conventions.chris wrote:So it is, although NotePad doesn't actually have a shortcut defined for Save as! (I'm spotting things I've done wrongtrixie wrote:Yes and no. The "A" shortcut is common in many OSes (Ctrl-A in Windows) but AFAIR, RAmiga-A is reserved for "Save As" according to the Amiga Style Guide (but I'm not saying that I like it.)
It is such a pity that the Intuition menu system doesn't support SHIFT-based command keys! We could then implement handy "paired" shortcuts for operations that have something in common, instead of wasting valuable key mnemonics we could use for other operations:
RAmiga-S for "Save"
Shift-RAmiga-S for "Save As"
RAmiga-Z for "Undo"
Shift-RAmiga-Z for "Redo"
RAmiga-F for "Find"
Shift-RAmiga-F for "Find and replace"
etc.
It's not. "Clear All" doesn't clear the selection but removes all text from the document. It is not similar to "Mark All" at allIt definitely needs moving though - similar items should be grouped together. "Mark all" is similar to "Clear all"
Yes. Another cross-platform standard.Undo should be on Z
Re: NotePad Reload option
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:32 am
@amigo1
Was there a change? I always thought that menu command keys (keyboard shortcuts) were not supposed to be localized.Amigo1 wrote: Recently I read in some other thread the keyboard shortcuts are the same for all locale settings. A really helpful chnage. Thanks a lot the the devs for this change!
Re: NotePad Reload option
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:24 pm
I agreetrixie wrote:If you ask me, RAmiga-A should be officially reserved for "Select All"-type operations and not for "Save As". It is IMHO more important to stay at least vaguely in line with common cross-platform conventions.
Also agreed. Note this does work for symbols, just not for alphabetic characters (although RAmiga-* is not necessarily going to be the same as Shift-RAmiga-8 on all keymaps, so not sure how useful that is - I'm also not sure if things like RAmiga-æ work, but I suspect they do)It is such a pity that the Intuition menu system doesn't support SHIFT-based command keys! We could then implement handy "paired" shortcuts for operations that have something in common, instead of wasting valuable key mnemonics we could use for other operations:
RAmiga-S for "Save"
Shift-RAmiga-S for "Save As"
RAmiga-Z for "Undo"
Shift-RAmiga-Z for "Redo"
RAmiga-F for "Find"
Shift-RAmiga-F for "Find and replace"
You're confusing "Clear all" with "Erase".It's not. "Clear All" doesn't clear the selection but removes all text from the document. It is not similar to "Mark All" at allIt definitely needs moving though - similar items should be grouped together. "Mark all" is similar to "Clear all"