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Re: Update 3 - No new con-handler?
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:48 pm
by Rigo
As much as I hate to sound harsh, this is the AmigaOS support forum, not a general whining forum.
Please keep postings to a support nature.
Simon
Re: Update 3 - No new con-handler?
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:50 pm
by zerohero
Rigo wrote:As much as I hate to sound harsh, this is the AmigaOS support forum, not a general whining forum.
I think a question about the difference in USB v2 considered a bug fix while a new con-handler and console.device isn't is a valid question, don't you?
Re: Update 3 - No new con-handler?
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:52 pm
by Peter Gordon
Update 3 was *mostly* bug fixes, but USB v2 was included. Consider it a bonus.
I'm sorry if you feel disappointed, but the new console was never promised for Update 3, so it is a little unfair to expect it.
Re: Update 3 - No new con-handler?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:00 am
by zerohero
Peter Gordon wrote:Update 3 was *mostly* bug fixes, but USB v2 was included. Consider it a bonus.
I'm sorry if you feel disappointed, but the new console was never promised for Update 3, so it is a little unfair to expect it.
Never promised, but I spoke to a core developer not long ago via email, and it sure sounded like it was going to be included. He had been using it "since quite some time" at least.
Re: Update 3 - No new con-handler?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:05 am
by Peter Gordon
Ahh OK, i'm sorry to hear that, but as far as i'm aware, it was never planned to be in u3.
Re: Update 3 - No new con-handler?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:22 am
by tonyw
It wasn't sufficiently mature to be released with the original 4.1, and as Steven says, the Updates since then have been bug fixes, not new releases.
The new con-handler/console are (like everything else) still being developed, and have always been intended for release with OS 4.2.
Re: Update 3 - No new con-handler?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:27 am
by zerohero
Rigo wrote:As much as I hate to sound harsh, this is the AmigaOS support forum, not a general whining forum.
BTW Simon, is that the commercial entity Hyperion Entertainment calling me, a paying customer, a whiner, on their official support forum?
I believe my questions are valid throughout this thread, while the tone sure sprung out of disappintment.
Re: Update 3 - No new con-handler?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:42 am
by Hypex
davebraco wrote:More over USB2 seems to be more urgent than a new con-handler to basic end user.
I agree. I wish I could use it! It doesn't like my hardware.
But CON is an old issue. And I can see when it's out people might say, "Oh the scroll bar is nice, but where arwe the tabs?"
In the end the temporary solution is to install KingCON like everybody else. But making sure it doesn't umount CON and put KCON in its place.
Re: Update 3 - No new con-handler?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:53 am
by Peter Gordon
BTW Simon, is that the commercial entity Hyperion Entertainment calling me, a paying customer, a whiner, on their official support forum?
I agree that Simon wasn't being incredibly tactful with his phrasing. I don't think your original post sounds like whining. Anyway, the answer to your question is simply that the new console was never going to be in U3, and nothing changed.
Re: Update 3 - No new con-handler?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:10 pm
by ChrisH
I can't believe that some people are expected to get new features for free - that is not normal IT practice. Update 1 was an extremely unusual & much appreciated (by me anyway) collection of new features for OS4.1 (plus bug fixes of course). That we got USB2 for free in Update 3 was also rather generous of Hyperion, IMHO.
Personally speaking I am worried that at this rate (of giving away new features for free) they won't have enough new features to justify AmigaOS4.2... but that isn't my problem!
BTW, if anyone can't live with the current Shell (I would not blame them) then they just need to install KingCON. It works wonderfully, in fact so well that I don't actually care about the new "Shell" (CON handler)...