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Daedalus wrote:Why does it have to be so black and white with you? Perhaps we can leave things like printing on specific printers to a PC, and still use AmigaOS for other things, which means we don't need to leave it to die. I suspect you already knew that answer already though - this sounds suspiciously like a conversation you had on Facebook a little while ago when you also left the Amiga for good...

In any case, without some sort of colour management system, AmigaOS is less than ideal for photography work, so even if you could use your printer you'd probably still be disappointed.

Personally, while I know the printing system needs a massive overhaul, it's still possible to print to pretty much any printer if you have a PC host to do some PostScript emulation, which is how I use my Epson R800 from my Amiga (awesome printer for photography by the way, sadly discontinued). Of course I don't print photos from the Amiga, just from the PC, but for other stuff it works fine. It's also possible to use a PostScript printer directly from AmigaOS.

If it makes you feel better, I've yet to get one of those multiprinters to fully work with Linux either. Most often it's the scanner that doesn't work, but I've also found that even the exact model driver doesn't use the inks correctly, resulting in terrible printouts. At the end of the day, for using most modern inkjet printers properly you should just stick to their system requirements, i.e. Windows or Mac. Occasionally the manufacturers support Linux, but mostly they don't, so you can't legitimately expect it to work beyond the specs printed on the box.

HKvalhe wrote:Well, it proves what i have said. You have to use a PC for printing and scanning photos.

HKvalhe wrote:

Spectre660 wrote:Clearly this is an impostor.
HKvalhe left the Amiga scene months ago.
Someone must have hacked his unused account here .

I can tell you i am NOT an imposter. It is actually me. Yes, i HAVE left, but i'm also trying to convince Hyperion and other important Amiga companies that things as full printer support have to be done into AmigaOS. I don't care how or how much it will cost. I only care that it HAS to be done...

But i have left just about every tie to the Amiga, including my own founded AmigaOS group on Facebook. Mainly to make my statement, but also because i'm really pissed about the Amiga situation, as lacking a serious thing as full printer support...

jdupuis wrote:

HKvalhe wrote:

Spectre660 wrote:Clearly this is an impostor.
HKvalhe left the Amiga scene months ago.
Someone must have hacked his unused account here .

I can tell you i am NOT an imposter. It is actually me. Yes, i HAVE left, but i'm also trying to convince Hyperion and other important Amiga companies that things as full printer support have to be done into AmigaOS. I don't care how or how much it will cost. I only care that it HAS to be done...

But i have left just about every tie to the Amiga, including my own founded AmigaOS group on Facebook. Mainly to make my statement, but also because i'm really pissed about the Amiga situation, as lacking a serious thing as full printer support...

Helge! Dude! How much will it take to get you to understand "In Developement"? The Amiga OS is always morphing. I have wasted a lot of good posts to you when I found the entire section deleted. So has others. This is NOT a team of Developers and Betatesters to fill an entire Corporation. These are small numbers of people like you and me who find and make time to develope Amiga OS. I don't think repetition of this should be necessary for a grown man to finally get it to sink in. Again, I find this to be the best years of Amiga going forward. We Amigans now have an indelible place in the computer world with the new Amiga OS platform. It took 4 to 5 years for it to get here and 30 years of on going support. You want the Kindom for a horse - who's going to pull the wagon? You need to get a grip on how much is involved in the engineering, design and development of an OS. Especially from nearly scratch and maintain the Amiga brand - look and feel. So keep on harping brother, you, me and all who have involved ourselves with your post will either get locked or wiped out. Take care, Man!

HKvalhe wrote:Well, it proves what i have said. You have to use a PC for printing and scanning photos. I know it's not possible on the Amiga. I was hoping for that. Seeing that is not likely to happen, it really forces me to go for a PC. Using the Amiga today doesn't feel like the same fun it used to be long ago. A lot has changed and not all neccessary to the better...

Daedalus wrote:

HKvalhe wrote:Well, it proves what i have said. You have to use a PC for printing and scanning photos. I know it's not possible on the Amiga. I was hoping for that. Seeing that is not likely to happen, it really forces me to go for a PC. Using the Amiga today doesn't feel like the same fun it used to be long ago. A lot has changed and not all neccessary to the better...

Yes, you've said it. I wasn't trying to disprove you but more agreeing with your problem. We all know that there are many limitations to the OS, you're not enlightening us here with some revelation that we've been oblivious to. Most of us however, either try to bridge the gaps, or accept that they're there and not worry about them.

I don't think you really realise just how much work is involved in supporting every cheap all-in-one printer on the market. Most will have their own variations on the protocol, many will have their own custom initialisation code, and a few will have bizarre raster formats. And practically none of them will have publically available developer documentation. Supporting them all would take years, even if Hyperion had a dedicated team of 10 coders 100% devoted to printer support. And once that job was done, every month there'd be a few new models which needed new drivers developed and would obsolete some of that hard work done by the team. And that's without even thinking about the scanner functionality.

Bottom line, your expectations are ridiculous, so it's no wonder you're disappointed.

Perhaps my expectations are unrealistic for Amiga users, but realistic for users of computer systems mainly used everywhere today. I can understand it's a lot of pressure and very difficult to incorporate full printer support in the Amiga. But Amiga companies need to ask themselves as well as users what they really want from the Amiga. Do you want the Amiga to remain as a very limited toy, or do you all want to try your best to make the Amiga as useful as possible? It doesn't have to be the main leader in the computer industry, but useful in most areas that you don't have to use another computer platform to do the same job you want to do on the Amiga. That's the whole point, and that's what i have tried to say the whole time. Of course, it's up to the Amiga companies and developers what to do. At least i have "waken up" and i have lost faith and hope in the Amiga. And stating that even full printer support in Amiga never will happen again, only strengthening my good reasons to LEAVE the Amiga, and i think more will happen to realize the same, too.

We are in 2015. A modern era of technology. EVERYTHING is possible if one only tries. Money is not everything. The will to make things possible IS...Again, up to the companies.

As I've said to you before, and many other people besides, using AmigaOS is still perfectly possible as a hobby if you're using it for something it can do and not getting massively hung up on what it can't. If you're not enjoying it then it's probably not the hobby for you, but that doesn't mean everyone else can't enjoy it either.

It still amazes me to see how some of you can tolerate the annoying limitations of the Amiga. Normally, one would be furious and just stop using the Amiga for the limitations. But it is as you say, that for the mental health, using either Mac or PC for all work i need to do, would be for the best, which logically is.

And always remember, just because it doesn't meet your expectations, doesn't mean the platform is any more dead than it was before regardless of what you say. For your own mental health, it might be best to give it a rest properly and stick to Windows or OS X, instead of hanging around at the periphery, disappointing yourself again and again and again.