Is the X1000 internal USB header inverted?

AmigaOne X1000 platform specific issues.
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Is the X1000 internal USB header inverted?

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Hi guys.

Since I setup my X1000 in my Thermaltake Spacecraft VF-1 tower many years ago my USB has never worked fully. The case came with one internal lead and another internal lead intended for USB3. It must a USB3 convention but the USB lead has a standard external plug. So I routed that through the back and plugged it into an external port. Never liked a lead going from inside to out but it has worked.

But the other lead has not. I plugged it into one side of the internal header. But the port has always been dead. This leads me to believe it may be inverted. On my AmigaOne XE I bought an external USB plate but the plug was incompatible. I had to punch out a key and connect in an opposite way.

So I'm wondering if the X1000 has the same setup? Using the standard USB header but being electrically incompatible. Because I've connected it correctly AFAICT. I mean it only goes one way! It's keyed. But it's never worked! :-?

I've had to watch it over the years as inserting a USB key in the "wrong" hole can freeze OS4 within moments. Linux just ignored it. I've pulled the plug for pending further investigation. :-)
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Re: Is the X1000 internal USB header inverted?

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Hi,

I have may X1000 in original Define R4 case. All USBs are working fine.
This case have two external USB2.0 and two external USB 3.0 connectors. Case cabling is standart - one cable with 9pin USB 2.0 dual connector and second with blue dual USB 3.0 connector.

I have connected USB2.0 cable to Nemo motherboard internal header (nr. P7 in manual) and USB3.0 cable to USB3.0 card in PCIe x1 connector.

All works as expected - USB2.0 with AmigaOS and linux and USB3.0 with linux only, AmigaOS have no driver yet.
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Re: Is the X1000 internal USB header inverted?

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I don't know exactly which USB connectors have your Thermaltake Spacecraft VF-1.
According the datasheet it looks like USB3.0 have standard USB-A extenal plug !?! and USB2.0 have motherboard plug - but in datasheet here is not shown, if USB2.0 is 9/10 pin or 4/5 pin.

Nemo motherboard have 10pins USB header - for 2xUSB 2.0. Pin 9 is key and pin 10 is Shield, so it consist of two standard 4pin motherboard headers.

If your USB2.0 plug is 4/5 pin, I recommend connect it directly on motherboard and then connect your USB3.0 also to motherboard using reduction like https://www.suntech.cz/produkt/420338-d ... ice-40-cm/.
It is better and nicer then connect it to external USB.

But if you have problems with USB2.0 4/5 pin only, you have to check the the case plug wiring. Sometimes is incorrectly wired on positions 1-3+5 and position 4 is empty. Such connector doesn't work. You need to have wires in positions 1-4.

If you are not sure, post here please photos of your connectors.
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Re: Is the X1000 internal USB header inverted?

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sailorMH wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:41 pm I have may X1000 in original Define R4 case. All USBs are working fine.
Hi. Thanks for your reply! I just found your posts tonight. :)

I've found this guide online and manual also on support page. The case has good reviews but I think the manual is poor! The one mention of USB2 says to look it up in the motherboard manual. How does that help to describe a plug connected to the case? They don't even show a picture of the plug in the manual! :?:

http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products- ... C_00001790

Your research is correct. The specs above look somewhat confusing to me, even though I have the USB3.0 case. My cables are as specified on the right of the slash as USB 3.0 x 1, USB 2.0 x 1, HD Audio x 1. To my surprise the USB3.0 cable is intended to be outside the case. To me this looks crass and a bad design with a cable hack sticking out the back. Until I found this page I thought USB3.0 boards used external connectors on board and it plugged in that way. But no it seems. I've always had the USB3 cabled plugged in through the back, not knowing it was made that way, and never liked it.

The USB2.0 connector is a 5 pin plug to go into a 4 pin USB 2.0 pin header on board. From top to bottom, it has +5V, D-, D+, G and key. It corresponds to table 23 in the X1000 TRM. It would help if they also mentioned this was the pinout for P7. So the lines do look to match and it should work when plugged in. But it doesn't.

Thanks for your advice. The internal adapter you recommend looks like a good solution. At this I wonder if all pins of P7 needs to be connected for the USB ports to function correctly? Because of my case setup I can only connect one side of the pins on P7. Had I known I would have opted for a standard USB2 case and just plugged in on board. But, I was unaware of these shenanigans, and think I may have bought the last one in stock at the time.
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